Friday, 14 December 2007
I have learnt a lot from this group project too, such as to always prepare as much as possible, and to make sure that each group member has their opinion heard as early as possible. I have also become apprehensive as to allow late members join the group weeks after the group has already been formed, for it seems that these are the members that do not pull their weight and eventually, let us down by not turning up or doing the work.
Great work though girls, give yourselves a pat on the back.
Thursday, 13 December 2007
Salma the slides were wicked, loved the scream, should have turned the volume up though (maybe next time) blood dripping down the side was good.
I did feel like i could have said more, Natalie your bit about Sickert was brilliant, i just wish i found out more information, thats whay when she asked to elebrate on the quotes i talked about the first one, just thought that it seemed like i was rambling about it though, just hope i havent let us down by only saying such a little part.
Maybe we should have slowed it down a little, as it did only last 11 minutes...oops I still felt that we said all the relevent points about each person.
Anyways best of luck with your grades for this module....still can't believe i missed my bibilography off for the first assingment, im gutted now.
Happy Holidays Everyone
My main argument for why people want Sickert to be the Ripper is that he's famous, he's eccentric and, to some extent, was born in Germany. (I cannot talk about these things without introducing people to who he actually is. Hence the facts!) People have always feared what they don't understand, it's human nature. Seeing as Sickert was different and a little strange this can make people think he was bad or evil. I will obviously develop this argument further, verbally, tomorrow.
Good luck everyone.
Wednesday, 12 December 2007
First of all thank you for letting me contribute to the project. I have my own views, you have yours and neither of us will change them. I am glad we found some sort of a compromise. If all this mess will made our presentation any better it was worth it. That is what I am concerned about the most. Taste is something we were born with and you stick to your I’ll stick to mine, majority decided, I don’t see the point of discussing it any further, especially here on this blog.
I changed my part a little bit hoping it will fit better to the presentation as a whole. I am still focusing more on the society than the dates and stuff like that. The factual bits has to lead somewhere. In my conclusion I would like to say that this “why people believe him to be the ripper” depends largely on themselves. People’s background, their own characteristics affect their view on the case. Just like in our presentation. We are different and although we look at the same things (facts) we have different opinions on them (perceptions).Good luck for us all tomorrow.
Cornwell, P. 2002. Portrait of a Killer Jack the Ripper - Case Closed. London: Little Brown.
"The heinous crimes, coupled with Jack the Ripper's phantom-like anonymity, have effectively transformed an ordinary yet resourceful criminal into a mythic representation of the darkest and most bestial aspect of the human condition." (1999, p8)
Coville, G and Luciano, P. 1999. Jack the Ripper. North Carolina: McFarland.
Here are some quotes I felt would be useful in our presentation.
Tuesday, 11 December 2007
"Patricia Cornwell became interested in Walter Sickert, because of a painting she brought of his, she believed that it was from one of Jack the Rippers crime scenes. Since then she has seemed to 'nick pick' (can i use that word?) at things about Walter Sickert, making different assumptions in her book.
Looking at the evidence from at the time of the crimes, she believes that it was Walter Sickert because one of the letters was signed "Mr Nobody" a name that Sickert sometimes went by. And she believed that because Sickert had a deformality of the gentails then he would want to mutilate women."
Sunday, 9 December 2007
In recent years, Sickert's name has been connected with Jack the Ripper. Sickert himself was interested in the crime and believed that he had lodged in the room used by the infamous serial killer having been told this by his landlady, who suspected a previous lodger. He painted the room, entitling it "Jack the Ripper's bedroom," portraying it as a dark, brooding, almost unintelligible space. (on the right hand side)
Well im in lesson monday till 1pm so can come find you in the library if you want, to be honest i think we all agree Salmas was ok.
To be honest Luc hasn't communicated with any of us on changing the powerpoint, which is unfair, we're all apart of this presentation!
I think to meet up for a quick vote will be a good idea.
Friday, 7 December 2007
I dont see why we can't use Salma slides, they we're all ready we just needed to put our information onto them, which she had and now you Luc have gone and made new one slides, im just confused as to why you've done this?!
We have little time left and now we have to resend all our work to him.
This is meant to be a group presentation and Luc you havent included any of us into what your doing, which i think is unfair, all our grade's depend on this presentation, i know its only worth 30% but thats still 30% i want to pass.
I think we should all discuss this, as im sure im not the only one that feels this way. I was actually shocked when i heard you wanted to redo the powerpoint slides...why did you want to do this? We all liked Salma's, ok maybe you didnt but all you had to say was, you "didnt like this or that" and we could have worked it out, without making a completely new slide show and having to redo all the information.
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Thursday, 6 December 2007
Prince Albert Victor, known as ‘Eddy’ to friends.
One of the most famous suspects of the Jack the Ripper case.
But no theories of him being involved in the murder at the time.
Grandson of Queen Victoria
Reverend John Neale Dalton tutored Prince Eddy but complained he was apathetic with an ‘abnormally dormant condition of mind.’
Was also noted that Eddy was slightly retarded.
Joined the army aged 21 where he encountered drinking, gambling and attended both male and female brothels.
Two Main Theories:
Phillippe Julian 1962 wrote in his book Edouard VII that ‘the prince and the Duke of Bedford’ were rumoured to be responsible for the murders.
Dr Thomas Stowlle 1970 published an article ‘A Solution’. It was said that Stowlle came about his theory through using the private papers of Sir William Gull who was the royal physician and also a suspect.
The Hole in the Theories!
The Court Circulars of 1888 show Prince Eddy was not in London at the time of any of the murders. However a BBC Documentary made the claim that Eddy was not the killer but the cause of the killings. So with one source saying it could not have been the prince there is still ongoing theories that he did have something to do with the killings. But why? The fact that he was a member of the royal family, the grandson of Queen Victoria makes people want to believe he was the cause. Reasons being that some people have a general hate for the royal family and enjoy their name being tarnished or for the simple fact it is more interesting to believe someone of royalty could carry out or be the cause of such brutal crimes.
Wednesday, 5 December 2007
- poor self-image
- probably abused in childhood
- probably with drinking problems
- able to socialize in a limited way
- no remarkable signs, did not cause suspicions
- between 25 and 35
- with money
- knew anatomy
I found that the most popular candidates for the title of Jack the Ripper did not fit to the profile in some point. For example..
-56 at the time of murders
-tall (about 6ft)
-having remarkable mustache
We can use it either as introduction or conclusion to our presentation saying that the person who exactly fits the profile (William Henry Bury) is not likely to be thought as a murderer because people prefer suspect man who are extraordinary rather those who are rationale. The cultural perceptions becomes more significant than the evidence.
Monday, 3 December 2007
"Littlechild's suspicions against Tumblety seem to have been partially grounded in the doctor's homosexuality and his own belief that those given to 'contrary sexual instinct' were also prone to cruelty."
I found it in the Complete History of Jack the Ripper. The book is convincing that Tumblety was not the real killer and point that homophobia seems to be the reason for believing the murderer was gay.
We will split the Powerpoint up in two for each suspect, one slide outlining biographical/factual information regarding the suspect and why they might've been infamously outlined a suspect, and the other slide offering our own interpretation as to why we think people may have wanted them to be The Ripper.
The presentation should be fine as long as we all have our research. Hope you can all still meet at 11am on Thursday outside the Library!
For the PowerPoint I've got a few facts about Sickert to introduce who he is
Walter Richard Sickert Born May 31 1860 in Munich, Germany. Died 1942 in Bath, England.
He was an English Impressionist painter who favoured urban scenes and ordinary people as his subjects.
He was obsessed with Jack The Ripper and claimed he once lodged in a room that was previously occupied by Jack.
He was first accused as being a reluctant accessory by Stephen Knight in his film 'The Final Solution'.
Sunday, 2 December 2007
"Jack The Ripper has been portrayed as a slaughterer, fishporter, lodging-house keeper, policeman, barrister, doctor and clergy-man. It fact it would be easier to list the things he has not been described as."
"The identity of Jack the Ripper could greatly depend on who we are and who we wish to perceive as a brutal killer." (good enough for the introduction and supporting the topic?;))
" His (Jack The Ripper's) crimes took place in the poorest quarter of London, at the time of social unrest. This was a community which resented both immigrants, particularly Jews, and the propertied classes"
"..our xenophobic ancestors refused to believe the Ripper could be an Englishman." (this could be a reason for choosing Tumblety for a suspect.)
There will be some more as I still have some books to read. As for now I am amazed by the number of theories and the amount of words devoted to Saucy Jack.
These are a couple of points that could include on the powerpoint, for the Walter Sickert/Patricia Cornwell slides.
*Cornwell believes that Walter Sickert is Jack the Ripper because of a painting she brought (see post below).
* Sickert did paintings that resembles either the victim e.g. the painting of a woman, it resembles Eddows as the woman in the painting has mutilatiosn to the right side of her face, same as Eddows.
*Cornwell believes that because Sickert had a deformity of the gentials that would make him mutilate women.
*Walter Sickert went by several alias through his acting career: 'Mr Nemo' - (Mr Nobody), An Outsider, An Enthusiast and various initials - W.S, W.St, RS, S etc = this is another reason Cornwell think he was the Ripper beacuse one of the letters wer're addressed Nr Nobody.
*Sickert was dependent on women and loathed them.
*Cornwell just makes assumptions in her book, there are no real facts, to suggest that Sickert was Jack the Ripper. And she just seems to be 'cluthing at straws' to make out that Sickert was the Ripper
What do you have Natalie? Have you read that handout Mark gave us?
How is everyone else getting on with her people?
Thursday, 29 November 2007
We have decided to meet up next week as we wont be doing presentations till week 12. If you can make it next thursday at 11am unsure of which room though (maybe the library to use the computers)
We're going to start the slide show together so everyone can have their imput, thinking of having 2 slides for each of our chosen suspects and then introduction/conclusion slides which we can all say something.
Oh we'll add a bibliography onto the slide show, so we'll all need to keep a note of what site/books we've looked at.
All in all i think we'll have a good presentation.
Oh Natalie you was right about Cornwell not saying about Sickert's son (chaper 5)
Wednesday, 28 November 2007
Ive looked at a couple of sites, about Walter Sickert but think one of the best ones was the one i posted below.
I'll bring notes (bullet points) in on thursday, some from the book others off the internet then we can compare what we have, and start putting it into a script.
Hope everyone else's parts of the work are coming along nicely.
Tuesday, 27 November 2007
The site clearly underlines that:
"Tumblety fits many requirements of what we now know as the ‘serial killer profile.’ He had a supposed hatred of women and prostitutes (the abortion with the prostitute Dumas, his alleged failed marriage to an ex-prostitute, his collection of uteri, etc.)
Tumblety was in London at the time and may indeed have been the infamous ‘Batty Street Lodger’ -- he therefore may have had fair knowledge of the East End environs.
Tumblety may have had some anatomical knowledge, as inferred by his collection of wombs, his ‘medical’ practice, and his short-term work with Dr. Lispenard in Rochester.
He was arrested in the midst of the Autumn of Terror on suspicion of having committed the murders.
There were no more murders after he fleed England on the 24th November, if one counts only the canonical five murders.
Chief Inspector Littlechild, a top name in Scotland Yard, believed him a ‘very likely suspect,’ and he was not alone in his convictions.
Tumblety was fond of using aliases, disappearing without a trace, and was the subject of police enquiries before his arrest.
Scotland Yard and the American police had been in touch numerous times concerning Tumblety’s flight from France to New York.
One of the three detectives inspectors assigned to the case was sent to New York at the same time, perhaps to pursue Tumblety.
Tumblety evaded capture in New York City once again.
Tumblety had the wealth necessary for frequent travel and could afford to change his clothes frequently should they have become bloodstained.
He was an eccentric; but shrewd.
He had a tendency toward violence at times, and his career may have included other offences both at home and abroad.
Several acquaintances of his in America believed it likely that he was the Ripper when interviewed in 1888.
There is a strong case to be made that he was indeed the Batty Street Lodger."
(Evans and Gainey)
Again, all the information can be found on the site - Casebook!
So there we have some relevent information in which we can dissect and interpret into our own understanding. We just need to make sure we remain focused on the reasons WHY people may have been led to believe their individual identity as The Ripper.
Saturday, 24 November 2007
Thursday, 22 November 2007
I found these sites, maybe we can use them as a starting point of the unusual suspects...
i quite like the idea of the Irishman being Jack
17 November 2007 15:23